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In August 2004, the writer and researcher, Pierre Jarnac, received the drafting of the Gazette of Rennes le Chateau. We were pleased to meet an impassioned and enthralling man. Among all the authors and researchers, he is undoubtedly one of the best references, even if he has defended some. With an aim of following the topicality, exchanges of courriels supplemented the interview!
The course of the researcher Pierre Jarnac :
Gazette of RLC : Pierre Jarnac, how did you catch the virus of the research of the treasures ?
Pierre Jarnac at his place - Johan ©
Pierre Jarnac : I had been for approximately sixteen or seventeen years, I was interested by the treasures and the wrecks, underwater archaeology more especially. I read the books of Jean de Kerdéland and Robert Charroux. At 17 years, "Treasures of the world" captivated me and it is in this book that I first found knowledge of Rennes le Chateau... In 1968, I had in my hand "the Gold of Rennes" which I read. In March 1969, I started my adventure towards... Rennes le Chateau. Traditional course: Paris-Carcassonne, then the rail-car until Couiza and climbing of the hill! I stayed one week at Henri Buthion's; I was his only customer. His reception was exceptional. I benefited from him to discover the area: the Armchair of the Devil, Roulers, Serbaïrou (all that on foot). In the church, the wood plate "Jésus. Medèla" was still under the high altar and the arm of the centurion of Station 10 of the 'Way of the Cross' was not yet broken. Lastly, the basin of the old baptismal font always enthroned in the garden beside the church. At the time, one came to Rennes le Chateau for the treasure! During following years, I met Gerard and Sophie de Sède, Franck Marie, Alain Châtillon and Henri de Lens; then, in 1972, I came to know Jean-Luc Chaumeil. We exchanged information on Philippe de Cherisey and Pierre Plantard (who agreed to meet me in 1976). Except professional context, I published in 1977 the "Guide of the treasure hunter" under the pseudonym of Géraud de Cayron (a pseudonym which was not innocent). I worked then in Paris, within two steps of the National Library, which allowed me to go there almost daily. After having made some other works (devoted mainly to the underwater excavations), I published, finally, in 1985 my "History of the treasure of Rennes le Chateau" to the Bélisane editions. The following year, I worked as a freelance journalist for the review "Treasures of the history" (which supported me there for fifteen years, until 2000).
"The Accursed Treasure of Rennes-le-Château" by Gérard de Sède -
Pierre Jarnac : My vocation is rather that of the researcher. It is an annoying current drift to believe that there is nothing to find. I am persuaded that there is something to discover and that it is palpable! The book of Gerard de Sède, "the Gold of Rennes", is written to seek and one can find! It acts of a book with keys. All the first researchers agree. His book besides was published and republished with more than 200 000 specimens. Currently, submerged by apocryphal books, false documents and misled by false tracks, many researchers discourage certainly and think that all this history is only one assembly, a lure and that there is nothing to find and, not gold. Some choose however stories of interesting hidden documents the Vatican, even an improbable discovery (vis: "the tomb of Christ"; besides it was necessary to await the arrival of Henry Lincoln to hear a similar assumption), the whole, obviously, under the crook of secret societies.
Gazette of RLC : Which is the origin of the funds perceived by Saunière ? Or, rather, origins ? Was this a traffic of masses? Was it paid to do or have done something ?
Gazette of RLC : Is the decoration of the church coded?
Detail (corner lower right) of the high relief of the church of Rennes le Chateau - Johan©
Pierre Jarnac : Aesthetics only did not only guide its originator; in fact, it dramatizes the course of the researcher (attention, nothing esoteric in the step). One finds there the elements met on the ground. Obviously, one would seek a connotation in vain there implying to it French-Masonry or Rose+Croix, less still only one ounce of heresy.
Gazette of RLC : The Abbé Saunière excavated the cemetery of the village during the night. Two complaints were deposited besides by the municipality. He engraved and makes the flagstone disappear and the stele from Marie de Ables Nègre.
The business after 1950 :
Gazette of RLC : The Abbé Saunière dies and it is silence until the arrival of certain Pierre Plantard. What wished by revealing the business ?
Large parchment :
Gazette of RLC : The authenticity of the parchments returns regularly ahead of of the scene. You have first hand information !
Large parchment reproduces in the book "The Gold of Rennes" of Gérard de Sède ®
Pierre Jarnac : I always had with regard to these parchments a certain retreat. In my book, in 1985, I speak about it but do not reproduce them. I did not manage to convince me that they were false. But still is necessary it to get along on their character apocryphal book. Philippe de Cherisey said and writes that he was the author. But same information Jean-Luc Chaumeil had showed amply that it could not be the case. Moreover, "Pierre and Papier" largely prove that Philippe de Cherisey tried to include/understand them. If he had been the author of these documents, why in particular would he have screened the analysis of each word of the message of the First Manuscript "Shepherdess not of temptation..." ? Conceived on a corner of kitchen table, why then harness itself, for forty pages , to interpret a meaningless message ?
Gazette of RLC : You thus confirm the existence of the text "Pierre and Papier" ! Which is the contents ?
Various tracks :
Gazette of RLC : The church was excavated very often and the possibility of a crypt re-appears a little like the monster of Loch Ness !
Gazette of RLC : Certain researchers attribute the enigma to the Abbé Bigou ?
Gazette of RLC : One quotes of many painters in this business : Nicolas Poussin, Eugene Delacroix, Emile Signol ! Are they useful for the comprehension of the enigma ?
The tomb of the Pontils, photograph of 1974 - Jean Brunelin ©
Pierre Jarnac : For Nicolas Poussin, incontestably ! Delacroix and Signol return us as for them towards Saint-Sulpice and, there, it is another history. There is undoubtedly a direct relationship with our business, but certainly not that which one tries to inculcate to us. The report/ratio is as obvious as between Rennes le Chateau and Saint-Sulpice, as Emma Calvé and the Abbé Saunière. It is more a question of symbolism.
The Gazette of RLC : In the same way, the writers are the subject of decoding : Jules Verne, Maurice Leblanc. Is their track reliable ?
Gazette of RLC : The Abbé Gélis is often quoted like a stooge. His assassination perpetrated in atrocious circumstances remained unpunished. The most absurd tracks were considered. Which is your point of view ?
Fall from the Abbé Antoine Gélis in the old cemetery from Coustaussa - Johan ©
Pierre Jarnac : Serious question which I will not have the impertinence to answer. Much more than the culprits, it is the mobile which imports us. Did the Abbé Gélis know something in connection with a hidden secrecy or a history of treasure? Did it lend itself to a blackmail ? One can say that he was killed because he seems to have been opposed to its assassin whom it knew. Difficult to know however if Gélis held something that he did not want to restore or if the assassin wanted to seize something that Gélis kept from him.
Gazette of RLC : Monseigneur Arsène Billard was the bishop of Béranger Saunière during the first part of his ministry with Rennes le Chateau. His course was also chaotic !
Gazette of RLC : The former owner of the field of the Abbé, Henri Buthion was a tasty character. Which memory do you keep of him ?
Rennes le Chateau at the third millennium :
Gazette of RLC : Gerard de Sède is deceased in May 2004. It is a loss for all the researchers !
Gazette of RLC : What do you think of the notebooks of the Abbé Saunière rediscovered by Octonovo ?
Pierre Jarnac : I had found them by chance with the Departmental records of the Aude in 1999, under the heading of "correspondences and accounts of the masses of a priest of Rennes le Chateau, 19s-20s.-20s." It is true that they were indexed in the medium of references except context. They were microfilmed documents, but whose films were damaged and non-communicable. Then, I deigned to consult them two years later when the support was restored. In his time, Rene Descadeillas had seen them (I speak here about the originals). I did not want to publish them without comments because they could have created confusion and have suggested false tracks. Octonovo did very good work; I was charmed to attend his conference of August 2004.
Page of the accountancy of the Abbé Saunière - Melt Captier-Corbu ©
Gazette of RLC : The displacement of the tomb of the Abbé Saunière of the cemetery in his field made run much ink. What is your feeling ?
Gazette of RLC : Isaac Ben Jacob found bonds between Saunière and the Confrery of Sanch. This track had never been evoked; do you have information additional on this subject ?
Gazette of RLC : You attended with the evolution of the business, its skids, its flights... Which is your glance on this one in 2004 ?
The Gazette of RLC : You've known the business for forty years. What council would you give to the neophytes ?
And the continuation... ?
Gazette of RLC : Do you consider the publication of a new book on Rennes le Chateau ?
Pierre Jarnac at his place - Johan ©
Pierre Jarnac : I have certain new information; but, by honesty towards the reader, I do not envisage any publication which would not be complete and sincere. On the other hand, I support the book of Franck Daffos "Rennes le Chateau: le secret dérobé [the concealed secrecy]", which will appear in two or three months. He contacted me in 2003 and told me the result of his research. Even if I do not agree always with him, he fills many "blanks" and brings logical answers. He drew upon the history of the last centuries and stated certain disconcerting "anomalies". He succeeds in giving a comprehensible role to the protagonists of the business, in particular the Abbé Bérenger Saunière, Henri Boudet and Antoine Gélis, like Monseigneur Billard. His book is based on historical facts and uses precise places to support his book.
The word of the end !
Gazette of RLC : How to explain the longevity of the secrecy ?
Do not hesitate to pose to your questions with Pierre Jarnac about the forum "Researchers" !
March 10, 2005, Johan ©